I Really, Really, Really Want Spider-Man to Hook Up with Ms. Marvel

Let’s talk about romance in comic books for a minute. Even with all the big fights and awesome powers, superhero stories almost always have a little romance in them. Superman has Lois Lane, Batman has Catwoman, Cyclops and Wolverine were always fighting over Jean Grey; love has always been a key component to comic books. As it should be.

But I have to ask, why, oh why, do superheroes never hook up with other superheroes?

And can we change that by getting together Spider-Man and Ms. Marvel? Please? They’d be so cute together!

They could even fight super-villains together! Adorable!

When it comes to superhero relationships, they really only seem to have one option: stay in love with the character they were hooked up with way back when they first debuted. Comic book fans notoriously hate change and want to maintain the long-standing status quo. That history is what keeps these classic couples together, moreso than anything that actually benefits either character. So modern day comic book writers would rather retread old ground in the romance department than give the fans something new and exciting.

But I want that excitement!

In recent years, comic book publishers have been taking baby steps into the realm of giving their characters new relationships, thereby creating new dynamics and new stories. Like Storm and Black Panther or Cyclops and Emma Frost. Well now I want these publishers to embrace this idea and forge full steam ahead by taking the most love-lorn of all superheroes, Spider-Man, and giving him an awesome, new super-powered girlfriend!

Way back in the early days of superhero comics, each title was often its own little world, and crossovers were very rare. They happened, but they were more of a gimmick than the building blocks of one unified world. Nowadays, comic book characters are constantly hanging out with each other. Almost every superhero in the Marvel Universe is considered an Avenger these days, with half a dozen different books starring the different branches of the Avengers. But back then, when it came to romance, more often than not the hero would be coupled with someone from their supporting cast. This meant that most superheroes would be hooked up with a plain, ordinary, non-powered person.

There are many examples: Lois Lane, Iris West, Carol Ferris, Peggy Carter, Jane Foster, Steve Trevor, Betsy Ross, etc. This was because there was only the one superhero in the book, and, like I said, crossovers were rare.

When there was more than one superhero per book and two of them hooked up, it was always part of the firmly established status quo. Like Mr. Fantastic and the Invisible Woman, Ant-Man and the Wasp or Cyclops and Jean Grey.

True love is matching blue jumpsuits

And as I said, comic book fans hate change, so when these romantic couples were solidified back in the day, they have remained relatively untouched ever since. Could you imagine Clark Kent being in love with someone other than Lois Lane?

But change is in the air.

Comic publishers have started ending a lot of these classic relationships. Both Cyclops and Hank Pym have moved on since their wives died, and the New 52 reboot has done away with Clark and Lois, Barry and Iris, Green Arrow and Black Canary and other couples.

And of course, in an infamous story, the marriage of Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson came to an end. They parted amicably in the story, and Peter became a swinging single again. You might not know this, but Peter Parker has actually had an extensive love life. I know his relationship with Mary Jane was the focal point of the three major motion pictures, but that was only because Mary Jane had been his girlfriend and wife in the comics for such a long time. In the comics, Mary Jane had never been the cute girl-next-door that Peter had a crush since he was a kid. That was all made up for the movie. Back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, Peter had a lot of different girlfriends, from Gwen Stacy to Betty Brant to Debra Whitman.

Mary Jane is just the girl he married.

Fulfilling her wifely duties

Spider-Man did date another superheroine once, the Black Cat. But she wasn’t another Marvel hero come to visit, she was a member of Spider-Man’s supporting cast. So she doesn’t count towards my overall point.

But boy, oh boy, does she count in every other way!

Marvel has had some fun with a single Peter Parker, and made one huge blunder. He’s kissed women at clubs, he had a hilarious, drunken one-night stand with his bitchy roommate Michele , and he and Black Cat became sex buddies (With the masks on! Rowr!). The blunder was a girl named Carlie Cooper, who became Peter’s girlfriend. The reason I consider Carlie a blunder is because she was created for the express purpose of becoming Peter’s new girlfriend after he broke up with Mary Jane. I knew from the first moment I heard of this bookish nerd girl that her only purpose in life was to be Peter’s new girlfriend. It didn’t matter what her backstory was, or who she was as a character; she existed only to be Peter’s new girlfriend. And sure enough, she was eventually maneuvered into that role. I couldn’t imagine a more boring relationship for Spider-Man.

If she'd only let down her pony tail and take off her glasses...

Fortunately, Peter and Carlie have since broken up! So Peter is once again single. And I propose that his new girlfriend not be someone from his immediate supporting cast, but instead be a crossover with another superhero. There are plenty of single, female superheroes in the Marvel Universe who could use a boost in popularity by becoming Spider-Man’s girlfriend. But hooking up two superheroes just isn’t done, at least not as much as it should be.

One example: Wasn’t the flirtation between Batman and Wonder Woman in the cartoon Justice League Unlimited just adorable? Why wouldn’t they work as a real couple in the comics? Every comic book fan the world over would support this relationship. It would be hugely entertaining. But DC Comics will never do it to preserve the brand, or some other useless reason.

Well Marvel shouldn’t be afraid. They should go for it!

I want Spider-Man’s next girlfriend to be Ms. Marvel.

But I didn’t just pull her name out of a hat. The comics have actually hinted at this pairing before, and it was just plain cute!

A quick crash course on Ms. Marvel: she is Carol Danvers, a tall, beautiful, blonde superheroine who has the usual assortment of super strength, flight, invulnerability and super-speed. Her powers are alien in origin. She’s had a rather wild comic book history, but these days she’s one of the Avengers and one of the good guys.

She can 'good' my 'guy' any day

And from 2006 through 2009, she was the star of her own comic book that ran for 47 issues. She was a single girl living in the big city, trying to make a name for herself as a superhero. And in that series, Ms. Marvel had a few interactions with Spider-Man. They were both Avengers together, so they were bound to cross paths. They flirted a little bit, and she agreed to go on a date with him. That date then occurred in the final issue of her series, #47. I’m here to tell you that the date was positively adorkable! I feel no shame in using that word.

The issue was written by Brian Reed, and the snappy dialogue and banter between the two of them is simply fantastic.

I like the idea that Spider-Man is only a few late payments short of being a hobo

Ms. Marvel has a bit of money, but Peter Parker is broke. So she covers dinner in a fancy restaurant. They agree not to talk about superhero stuff, which leads to a lot of jokes about how they have nothing else to talk about. It would appear that the date is not going well.

Points, at least, for now just staring at her chest

The date is interrupted by some bad guys, because of course it is. Ms. Marvel beats them up while Peter stays out of costume, though he does manage to throw in a few patented quips. Once the day is saved, they leave the restaurant and instead decide to just grab some chili dogs from a Manhattan sidewalk vendor. Turns out they’re both fast food junkies!

All good superhero bonding occurs on rooftops

Isn’t that scene just adorable? I think so. The whole issue was. The romance between the two of them came up later after a fight with Venom. The symbiote possessed Ms. Marvel, I think, and it revealed that she does indeed have feelings for Spider-Man. But like I said, the Ms. Marvel series was cancelled, and I don’t think this thing between the two of them was ever brought up in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man. Maybe it was mentioned in one of the Avengers titles, I dunno. But mostly it seems to be something that was left to the now cancelled Ms. Marvel series.

Until now!

In the July issue of the comic book Avenging Spider-Man, Peter and Carol are going to team up again! Only by July, she’ll be going by the new name Captain Marvel. She’ll also have her own series again.

I like how he just perches on her

Might this new team-up be hinting at romance to come? I sure hope so!

Because Marvel has already done something similar with Spider-Man before…but in the Ultimate Comics. Over there, Ultimate Peter Parker started dating Ultimate Kitty Pryde, of X-Men fame. The relationship came out of nowhere, but it was a brilliant crossover. Kitty Pryde was a main character in Ultimate X-Men, and there was no reason for the two titles to cross over. But once the teenage Kitty and the teenage Peter started hanging out, it made perfect sense! They could be superheroes together, they could talk to each other, and they were great. Most importantly, Kitty wasn’t simply one of the normal Spider-Man’s girlfriends transported to the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate Peter had dated Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy, but Ultimate Kitty Pryde was something totally new!

And I loved it.

I enjoy comics about the dating lives of teenagers, I guess

Seriously, the two characters were amazing together. It was exciting and new, it was unexplored territory. And writer Brian Michael Bendis was stellar with the awkward yet charming teenage dialogue. The man was at the top of his game writing Spider-Man and Kitty Pryde.

Until a few issues later when he came up with an incredibly stupid reason to break them up. Then Peter eventually just went back to boring old Mary Jane Watson. Goodbye innovation, farewell excitement. That was all very disappointing.

So Marvel now has a chance to recapture that magic! To explore territory that has rarely been explored!

Make it happen, Marvel!

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About Sean Ian Mills

Hello, this is Sean, the Henchman-4-Hire! By day I am a mild-mannered newspaper reporter in Central New York, and by the rest of the day I'm a pretty big geek when it comes to video games, comic books, movies, cartoons and more.

Posted on April 14, 2012, in Avengers, Comics, DC, Marvel, Spider-Man and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 17 Comments.

  1. I agree it might be fun, but it should not and will very likely not ever happen.

    Maybe some short fling, but I think we’ve already gotten that in the stories you already referenced.

    Dan Slott explains it quite well here:
    http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?405494-Thread-Drift-Dan-Slott-explains-why-Peter-Parker-won-t-hook-up-with-a-superhero&p=14826013&viewfull=1#post14826013

    Don’t forget what Stan Lee said as well:
    “Never give the fans what they THINK they want”

    • Oh cool, thanks for that link! Slott would definitely be the man to know. But still, I can hope!

      • If Dan could, he would undo Spider-Man previous relationship with Black Cat from the mid-1980’s. Also, I don’t think that he would have written a good story between Spider-Man and a heroine together in a romantic setting. That’s not his style.

    • I think that Slott is trying to bring Spidey back to the Stan Lee Steve Ditko era where Peter had bad luck on a social level. Only for him to be killed off for Dr. Ock to gain his proper spotlight. I don’t think that Slott’s writing could be considered Silver Age as I feel that his writing style is somewhat forced. And for 2012, it was ironic that heroines like Ms. Marvel considers Peter a PAL when their friendship is much more than that. Second, since when does Black Cat ever reject the advances of Spider-Man for Daredevil. Third, when has the She-Hulk ever felt unease around Spider-Man. Most of all, when does Spider-Man ever rejects Silver Sable’s feelings?

      All of this stems from Dan Slott’s influence towards other writers from creating a mutual chemistry between Spider-Man and a heroine in a positive manner? I think that he wants Spider-Man to be in a corner alone and broken.

      I have read that Kelly Sue wanted to explore Peter’s relationship with Carol Danvers. But could not do so. After all, Slott feels that Spider-Man shouldn’t be dating a super heroine in the first place. If he could, he would retconned Spider-Man’s relationship with Black Cat as if it never happened.

  2. The entire point of the Brand New Day retcon, as I saw it, was so that not everyone would know who Spider-Man was. Now, more people know who he is than before Civil War. And as a byproduct, Parker is romantically available (because I suppose having a famous model/actress for a wife was too “vanilla” for Marvel).

    At any rate, I’ll simply say that I approve of Ms. Marvel’s new hairstyle. It reminds me of other flamboyant, funny, slightly quirkier heroines who may or may not have similar powers.

  3. sean michael aguilar's avatar sean michael aguilar

    i think that it should happen, i agree having a regular girlfriend was boring, spider-man and ms.marvel would be great, they should try it out at least.

  4. I’ve been an avid shipper of a Spider-man/Ms. Marvel romantic pairing since i read that Spider-Date issue as well. And i agree with everything that you said in your article (except, Ms. Marvel went to 50 issues, not 47). I would love to see the dynamic of Spider-man dating a super-heroine. They can do so much with that i think, and it would be interesting to see. I’m so sick of MJ, he was married to her for like 20 (real-time) years and been with her for years before that, i mean how much more interesting stuff can they write for that pairing. Even if they just brought Spidey and Ms. Marvel together for like 35-45 issues (at bi-weekly release, that’s less than 2 years of issues), that covering a deepening of their friendship, shift into romantic relationship, and then maybe an end because it didn’t work out, that would be great because you’d be giving spidey and the readers something new (and exciting) and for those that don’t like it, well, it wouldn’t last forever so get over it.
    By the way, i don’t agree with Dan Slotts reasons for not having Spidey with a Super-heroine. I think those problems could be solved with good writing/story-telling. But i do agree with him that a ‘status quo’ relationship with a super-heroine probably isn’t feasible (i.e- for years and years like with MJ).

    • It’s good to know I’m not the only fan interested in this pairing. And you’re absolutely right! A short, story-length relationship would be delightful. Peter was only with Carlie for a short time…though I’m sure they’ll get back together eventually. Still, like I said, Carlie is super boring.

  5. I agree totally with the two of them being romantically linked. They are my favorite heroes per gender and the idea of them getting together is awesome

  6. Sooo….what DID happen with Peter and Miss Marvel??? I would like to see the two together!

  7. Personally, I feel that Carol and Peter should take their time with their friendship slowly in the background. In addition, it might be best to diversify Peter’s mutual relationship to no more than 6 female heroines because I don’t think that any one person on the Spider-Man side should standout as a potential love interest. The idea is to expand those mutual relationships beyond The Black Cat. Thus, if there are 5-6 other heroines(Besides Black Cat) who are interested in Spider-Man, than a writer could choose which one to use because he wouldn’t be stuck with using The Black Cat. There are writers who might like The She-Hulk, Silver Sable, Psylocke, Spider-Woman, or Ms. Marvel. So it gives the writer a chance to use a their favorite heroine(who has a positive chemistry with Spidey) in a team-up story with Spider-Man that they wouldn’t otherwise had used. I could see a mutual friendship among the women I have mentioned for Spider-Man. But, it is best to leave things at the close friends level and not extend it into a serious relationship because it would cause a conflict of interest among those who many or many not like the idea. Therefore, a longterm friendship with a heroine might be ideal for Spider-Man with a little tension between them.

    I think that my view on this has to do with the idea of Spider-Man forming a mutual relationship that he had with Felicia Hardy before OMD. I felt that there should be a close group of heroines who could have a close relationship with Spider-Man like:

    Silver Sable
    Ms. Marvel
    Psylocke
    Spider-Woman
    She-Hulk
    Black Cat

    I feel that anyone of those women would work best for Spider-Man. Especially if a writer likes the idea of a master list of heroines that they want to use if they are doing a Spider-Man team-up story. I simply like the idea of diversification to at least 6 heroines who are close friends with Spider-Man because the potential of doing a bigger story is there. I don’t like the idea of a rushed relationship as it was done to The Black Cat and Spider-Man. And this might be the reason why Dan Slott has resisted the idea of doing this type of relationship. Thus, I like the idea of the selected heroines in a relationship with Peter in the same manner as his relationship with Mary Jane or Betty Brant.

    When I refer to a relationship with a female hero, I am implying on the idea of Peter expanding that relationship to at least 5 other heroines in addition to the Black Cat. This way, we can see a different side of Spidey’s relationship with heroines that are different from his relationship with The Black Cat.

    Personally, I don’t think that Peter should be in a relationship with anyone at this time. The only reason why fans were hostile towards Carlie because the relationship never took its time to grow organically as a mutual relationship first. This way, the fans who have come to like the character. I still feel that Carlie isn’t out of the game with Peter Parker. It’s just going to take its time from this point onwards in a slow and steady manner. Just like Peter’s relationship with Mary Jane is just taking its time slowly.

    The Black Cat recently rejected him because she didn’t want to be known as the rebound girl for Spider-Man. Any woman who is interested in Spider-Man/Peter Parker is not going to have a serious relationship with a man who just got dumped by his recent ex-girlfriend. There are no Friends with Benefits for Spider-Man.

  8. I believe Spiderman and Ms, Marvel to be together. i love the pair named spider-marvel.

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